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Shock as historic pub in Kilburn is demolished with no warning and without permission

19:16 08 April 2015

Carlton Tavern pub as it was being demolished

Carlton Tavern pub as it was being demolished

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A historic pub in Kilburn has been demolished today despite the council rejecting an application to bulldoze the building and replace it with flats.

Patsy Lord had no idea the pub was going to be demolishedPatsy Lord had no idea the pub was going to be demolished

Passersby stared in amazement as two bulldozers tore into Carlton Tavern in Carlton Vale, destroying its shell and all its contents including a wide screen television, darts trophies, pictures, and a pint glass left on a table.

No safety precautions had been put in place resulting in concerns about security of nearby buildings and if the utilities had been switched off prior.

Patsy Lord, the pub’s landlady, rushed to the scene from her home in Maida Vale after she was alerted to the demolition and told she needed to move her son’s car.

After opening for business on Monday and hosting an Easter quiz, she was told the pub would be closed for an ‘inventory.

Carlton Tavern pub demolished without council permissionCarlton Tavern pub demolished without council permission

Ms Lord said: “It’s heart breaking. There was no warning.

“I thought they were going to dig the back garden.”

Lorna Gethin, a customer who lives in Kilburn Park Road, said: “It was a hub for the community.

“I used to come here with my parents when I was little. Trophies have been won by the local darts team, all that has gone.”

The pub still had all its contents inside (Pic credit: Mike Cunningham)The pub still had all its contents inside (Pic credit: Mike Cunningham)

Carlton Tavern was sold last year to CLTX before they put in a planning application to Westminster Council for the building to be demolished and replaced with a pub at ground level and 10 residential units over four floors.

The plans were rejected on the basis that the bulk, height and detailed design of the new development “would be detrimental to the view from the adjacent Maida Vale Conservation Area and view from the nearby recreation ground where it was a gateway to the park.

Gary White, from Elgin Avenue, Maida Vale, said: “Maybe they think by demolishing it they can get their planning permission through quicker.”

Maida Vale councillor Jan Prendergast added: “They do not have permission to do this. I am absolutely furious.

The pub before it was demolished (Pic credit: Flickr/Ewan Munro)The pub before it was demolished (Pic credit: Flickr/Ewan Munro)

“The council will take very strong measures against them. It’s not safe and I’m appalled for the residents who live here.”

A council spokeswoman confirmed to the Times the demolition had taken place without permission and enforcement officers had attended the scene once they were alerted.

She added: “The council will be seeking legal advice concerning whether any future action is legally possible.

“Pubs play an important role in our local community.”

A spokeswoman for Historic England, previously known as English Heritage, told the Times there were plans to recommend the pub be given a grade II listing pending approval from the Department for Culture Media and Sport.

She added: “The Carlton Tavern built in 1920-21 for Charrington & Co, probably by Frank J Potter, was an early inter-war improved public house, carefully detailed and built of good quality materials, showing the vision of a leading London brewery.

“It was laid out as an improved pub with a public bar, and originally off sales, a saloon, and unusually a luncheon and tea room. The site was remarkably well-preserved externally and internally, it displayed the hierarchy of rooms in their fixtures, fittings and decorative treatment and retained all its external signage.

“Few pubs were built at this date and fewer survive unaltered. It also had great historical interest as an improved pub, illustrative of growing concern at raising the reputation of public houses, by providing family facilities and reducing drunkenness.”

The Times has contacted the company believed to be the agent of CLTX and are still awaiting a response.

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23 comments

  • I wonder was a Section 80 Demolition Notice sent to the local council for approval and a Section 81 issued by them, if so then case closed. If not, as the saying goes "There may be trouble ahead"

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    Jackie

    Saturday, April 11, 2015

  • This is a crime, on so many levels. It keeps on happening, despite so-called laws and well-meaning societies. In 1980 the famed Firestone factory was demolished over a bank holiday weekend, just before its listing was due. a few years ago a cottage that was a few hundred years old (known as Angel Cottage) was destroyed by the owner, and Newham Council said it would have to be rebuilt - but it hasn't. What has our wonderful Mayor, Mr photo opportunity Johnson, got to say? Oh, let me guess? Nothing. Well he just loves developers. Westminster Council make a show of being concerned, but will do nothing. English Heritage will do nothing. Before too long, the news media will forget about it. In fact it looks like it has already. London's built heritage is under threat, before too long it will look like the set of Blade Runner, or Mega City from Judge Dredd.

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    Superfast72

    Friday, April 10, 2015

  • This is outrageous. It stinks of corruption or fraud. The fact that no safety precautions were implemented is a crime, there could have been gas explosions etc. So firstly the demolition company should be fined and even charged with endangering public safety (possibly terrorism), they should not be able to make action until they receive a confirmation from the council themselves. Imagine me going down to the builders centre hiring a digger and knocking down my house with all utilities live, I'm sure I would go to prison for a while. As a another commenter mentioned the company seems to be setup only for this purpose and is based in Israel, now they can sell the plot to another company they probably own and wash their hands. The fact the company is in Israel says a lot, they are using Gaza Strip tactics in London. Disgusting.

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    Stuart Spencer

    Friday, April 10, 2015

  • In my view, such vandalism and criminal damage should be met with a fine sufficient to build a replica of the pub. When ordinary people can be fined for dropping litter or overstaying a parking spot, there needs to be a proportionate penalty for demolishing a significant building without permission - as for the breach in safety procedures, they should be dealt with separately.

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    Nick Nakorn

    Friday, April 10, 2015

  • Most get into the habit of scanning before posting. 'Pub' an a couple of others :

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    Guy Imagine

    Friday, April 10, 2015

  • Will Westminster council do the right thing by the locals? Do they care? Strong reprisals are needed here and ‘hopefully’ while the developers do some serious jail time. The council should be suing the company until the the pips squeaks! The original can then be rebuilt to true specs. In the meantime I do don’t believe it’s beyond the councils (extraordinary) powers into granting the regulars access to that other more exclusive Carlton place down the road ((together with pup prices too!) even if it’s not the most family friendly).

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    Guy Imagine

    Friday, April 10, 2015

  • Interesting to remember that the leader of Kensington Council did it to the lovely kensington Town Hall in the1980s. He ordered its demolition just before it was due to get listed status.

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    Martin Francis

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • So cleverly done! It's a well known fact that this sort of destruction happens when the powers that be are on holiday, Thus can't immediately get there and bring things to a holt. Many travellers camps are set up over bank holidays for the same reason, There is no-one in the council offices! I hope they pass nothing on the site and are made to clear it up and leave it as "Green Space"

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    GroovyG

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • Classic move. The same way empty listed pubs 'accidentally' burn down or listed trees are felled 'by accident'. Slap on the wrist, twenty grand fine, "don't do it again". Developer gets their new development, quarter of a mill profit, thank you very much. Somebody needs to do jail time to set a precedent. Not that that'll happen.

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    Steven Douglas

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • This company should never be allowed t develop this site, EVER. Force them to sell at a loss.

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    Maffi Oxford

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • The planning application, which was refused, is held by Westminster council, number 1405526FULL. Search at their planning website and you will find the original application plus 45 documents, along with the comments on the scheme and why it was refused.

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    Richard Anderson

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • This is truly outrageous behaviour which has to be dealt with properly. The only director of C.L.T.X. Ltd is Ori Calif, born 1977 (Director ID: 915883939) Registered address and Trading Address in London is 21 Bedford Square, London, WC1B 3HH. Other registered address for Calif is 8 Shaul Hamelech Blvd, Tel Aviv, Israel 64733. Any lawsuit will be an issue since the company is only worth £942 and has £1,458 Cash It has £5,917 Assets with £4,975 Liabilities. I suppose jail would suffice!!

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    DannyL

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • the building is was not currently listed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't under consideration. It is still an offence to demolish a building - whether listed or not - without the appropriate permission, and in this case no permission was given.

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    Richard Anderson

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • Except this is nothing to do with 'Brent Camden' Council...as it's in Westminster... Good old Tories! Not.

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    Davros

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • Utter disgrace that a developer can go ahead and demolish a historic building like that. There should be severe sanctions for CLTX, Preferably involving restoring the building to what it was brick by brick. Can't find out anything about CLTX online? I hope this doesn't set a precedent as now the developers have lost the appeal for The Queensbury they'll be watching this.

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    a #GreenBrentNorth

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • I've only done a quick search - so it's quite a possible that I've missed something - but I don't see any evidence of a listed status or Article 4 direction protecting the property. In which case, they wouldn't need permission to demolish the building (but they would need permission for any future construction). This is leading me to the conclusion that they've done this in order to preempt any possible Article 4 direction.

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    Graham Triggs

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • Who are CLTX? No info provided. This is basic journalism - provide information! Google comes up with nothing. Please let us know who this company is?

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    GR

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • I hope these greedy developers who regularly flaunt the law get there comeuppance, and that all @BKtimes readers a) block this developerment

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    Francis Henry

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • The tweet you've embedded is from a different Carlton Tavern, 200 miles away in Cheshire.

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    Rhodri Marsden

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • @Ladydonna - did you actually read the article?

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    Julian Tysoe

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • Utterly appalling! The land should be confiscated and the owners jailed. It is completely unacceptable to completely ignore planning procedure and callously destroy cultural heritage in order for a small number of people to rake in profits. This sort of thing is happening all over the country and strong punitive action MUST be taken in order to scare these parasites in to playing by the rules, before we are left with nothing but 'local' supermarkets and sub-standard but over-priced rental accommodation.

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    Alex Chumley-Smithe

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • Shocking business - but that embedded tweet in the article is about a pub in Chester!

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    Paul Taylor

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

  • OMG.... Drank in this pub for years. What a disgrace. Typical Action of Brent Camden Westminster Council. They are a law unto themselves. So much of our local historic building have been demolished or used for Islamic Schools Mosques Etc. Another part of London destroyed. Also without giving notice to Patsy Lord . Who is now without employment . I wonder who is going to compensate this young lady and her staff. Total disgrace .

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    ladydonna

    Thursday, April 9, 2015

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